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	<title>Comments on: Apple Called &#8211; an update on the Macbook Pro situation</title>
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		<title>By: Doc. Caliban</title>
		<link>http://www.applegazette.com/site-news/apple-called-and-update-on-the-macbook-pro-situation/comment-page-1/#comment-64469</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc. Caliban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On thing that I am oh-so-very happy about is that I know hardware.  The prices that Apple charge for upgrades and repairs is nothing but a wickedly severe &#039;tax&#039; against those of it&#039;s customers who are not aware of the cost of hardware, or the lack of difficulty in repairing a computer.

This blog entry for example...  $900 to replace a hard drive?  Let&#039;s look at that:

Highest rated 320GB laptop hard drive on the market:  $170

The time it takes to remove and replace 29 screws, 2 connectors, and a piece of tape:  $730

Wait, what?

First, let&#039;s forget about any issues of &quot;it will void your warranty!&quot;, or, &quot;I would never do that, you have to really know what you&#039;re doing and you could break something!&quot;.  For whatever reason you want, you won&#039;t do it and you send it to Apple.  Fine.  But look, it really is just screws and a couple connectors and some tape:

http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/MacBook-Pro-17-Inch-Core-Duo/Hard-Drive-Replacement/87/8/

Now I&#039;m not an Apple Certified Repair Center, but digging around in a laptop is nothing new to me, nor is it the least bit difficult.  (No matter what you think, it&#039;s just parts put together with screws for the most part.)  It took me ~20 minutes to upgrade my MBP hard drive.

20 minutes.

Now lets assume that a certified technician who has done this job countless times is a bit more efficient than I am and can do it in 15 minutes.  (You can do it in 10, but we&#039;ll give a margin here and say that they are extra special careful.)

$730 for 15 minutes of work.  That&#039;s an hourly rate of $2,920.

Hell, lets say that it takes them a half hour of processing on top of the actual repair time.  45 minutes is now a more reasonable hourly rate of $973 per hour.


How about RAM?  

To upgrade from 2GB to 4GB when you are ordering, they charge $400.   3 weeks ago it was $700.  Really.

Now you&#039;re only BUYING 2GB of RAM since the price you were paying for the machine already included 2GB.

Highest rated 2GB memory module:  $110.   Oh, wait, sorry... that&#039;s for all 4GB... two 2GB modules, which is what they will put in your laptop for $400.

Labor:  $280 (used to be $580) for taking the battery out, removing 4 screws, and... oh, wait.  That&#039;s all there is to do.

http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/MacBook-Pro-17-Inch-Core-Duo/RAM/87/3/


The bottom line is:  They are ripping people off.  I mean this takes &#039;buyer beware&#039; to a whole new level.  20/20 and 60 Minutes have aired stings on automotive and appliance repair operations for much less than this, and America Was Outraged.   

But then we trust Apple&#039;s prices because their advertising and customer base seem hip and quirky?  It&#039;s a business.  The part we see is the marketing facade.  


It&#039;s not all just Apple, other computer companies, other industries, they all do it.  I just think it&#039;s ironic that so many people think of Apple as a Shiny Happy All About Us Customers company, but they&#039;re stealing your non-technical friends and family members blind.

-Doc

PS:  Oh, I almost forgot:  The cost of a #00 screwdriver and a T6 Torx driver: $10.  Including tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On thing that I am oh-so-very happy about is that I know hardware.  The prices that Apple charge for upgrades and repairs is nothing but a wickedly severe &#8216;tax&#8217; against those of it&#8217;s customers who are not aware of the cost of hardware, or the lack of difficulty in repairing a computer.</p>
<p>This blog entry for example&#8230;  $900 to replace a hard drive?  Let&#8217;s look at that:</p>
<p>Highest rated 320GB laptop hard drive on the market:  $170</p>
<p>The time it takes to remove and replace 29 screws, 2 connectors, and a piece of tape:  $730</p>
<p>Wait, what?</p>
<p>First, let&#8217;s forget about any issues of &#8220;it will void your warranty!&#8221;, or, &#8220;I would never do that, you have to really know what you&#8217;re doing and you could break something!&#8221;.  For whatever reason you want, you won&#8217;t do it and you send it to Apple.  Fine.  But look, it really is just screws and a couple connectors and some tape:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/MacBook-Pro-17-Inch-Core-Duo/Hard-Drive-Replacement/87/8/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/MacBook-Pro-17-Inch-Core-Duo/Hard-Drive-Replacement/87/8/</a></p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m not an Apple Certified Repair Center, but digging around in a laptop is nothing new to me, nor is it the least bit difficult.  (No matter what you think, it&#8217;s just parts put together with screws for the most part.)  It took me ~20 minutes to upgrade my MBP hard drive.</p>
<p>20 minutes.</p>
<p>Now lets assume that a certified technician who has done this job countless times is a bit more efficient than I am and can do it in 15 minutes.  (You can do it in 10, but we&#8217;ll give a margin here and say that they are extra special careful.)</p>
<p>$730 for 15 minutes of work.  That&#8217;s an hourly rate of $2,920.</p>
<p>Hell, lets say that it takes them a half hour of processing on top of the actual repair time.  45 minutes is now a more reasonable hourly rate of $973 per hour.</p>
<p>How about RAM?  </p>
<p>To upgrade from 2GB to 4GB when you are ordering, they charge $400.   3 weeks ago it was $700.  Really.</p>
<p>Now you&#8217;re only BUYING 2GB of RAM since the price you were paying for the machine already included 2GB.</p>
<p>Highest rated 2GB memory module:  $110.   Oh, wait, sorry&#8230; that&#8217;s for all 4GB&#8230; two 2GB modules, which is what they will put in your laptop for $400.</p>
<p>Labor:  $280 (used to be $580) for taking the battery out, removing 4 screws, and&#8230; oh, wait.  That&#8217;s all there is to do.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/MacBook-Pro-17-Inch-Core-Duo/RAM/87/3/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/MacBook-Pro-17-Inch-Core-Duo/RAM/87/3/</a></p>
<p>The bottom line is:  They are ripping people off.  I mean this takes &#8216;buyer beware&#8217; to a whole new level.  20/20 and 60 Minutes have aired stings on automotive and appliance repair operations for much less than this, and America Was Outraged.   </p>
<p>But then we trust Apple&#8217;s prices because their advertising and customer base seem hip and quirky?  It&#8217;s a business.  The part we see is the marketing facade.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not all just Apple, other computer companies, other industries, they all do it.  I just think it&#8217;s ironic that so many people think of Apple as a Shiny Happy All About Us Customers company, but they&#8217;re stealing your non-technical friends and family members blind.</p>
<p>-Doc</p>
<p>PS:  Oh, I almost forgot:  The cost of a #00 screwdriver and a T6 Torx driver: $10.  Including tax.</p>
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		<title>By: vance</title>
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		<dc:creator>vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think we have the same warranty here in Manila hehe. Hmm.. maybe if we email steve they&#039;ll do the same hehehe. But I don&#039;t own a mac so if that ever happened to me I doubt I&#039;ll be able to test that theory out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think we have the same warranty here in Manila hehe. Hmm.. maybe if we email steve they&#8217;ll do the same hehehe. But I don&#8217;t own a mac so if that ever happened to me I doubt I&#8217;ll be able to test that theory out.</p>
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		<title>By: TekSavvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>TekSavvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one more reason that people should realize how great Apple is, aside from there products and OS. (Their support is fair and top-notch)

Since you had the problems (and proof) before the warranty expired, I feel that they did the right thing and this is a rarity in today&#039;s society. Good luck with your new-ish machine... 

Tek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one more reason that people should realize how great Apple is, aside from there products and OS. (Their support is fair and top-notch)</p>
<p>Since you had the problems (and proof) before the warranty expired, I feel that they did the right thing and this is a rarity in today&#8217;s society. Good luck with your new-ish machine&#8230; </p>
<p>Tek</p>
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		<title>By: Ken H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience with the iBook logic board problem was the same.
Fixed out of warranty; total time out of service; 36 hours including shipping.
Excellent, and I now have a Macbook.
Just a normal customer although I have been Mac since 1988.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience with the iBook logic board problem was the same.<br />
Fixed out of warranty; total time out of service; 36 hours including shipping.<br />
Excellent, and I now have a Macbook.<br />
Just a normal customer although I have been Mac since 1988.</p>
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		<title>By: None</title>
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		<dc:creator>None</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:D

I&#039;m just glad to hear your issues are being taken care of!</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m just glad to hear your issues are being taken care of!</p>
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