Comments on: Apple using ‘Microsoft-like’ moves to get Safari on Windows Machines http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/ Your Ultimate Guide to Thinking Differently Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:10:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Lance http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-106902 Lance Sun, 25 Sep 2011 05:57:54 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-106902 If Windows fanboys still love Bill Gates after all the Netscape illegal crushing, IE illegal entwinement into Windows, and copying of Mac OS look and feel over the years, why should we criticize Apple for using similar tactics? People don't remember the Justice Department suits. They remember that Windows is everywhere, and even use that simple fact to praise it. I say it is high time Apple became tough and competitive instead of kind and gentle, and let the chips fall where they may. If Windows fanboys still love Bill Gates after all the Netscape illegal crushing, IE illegal entwinement into Windows, and copying of Mac OS look and feel over the years, why should we criticize Apple for using similar tactics? People don’t remember the Justice Department suits. They remember that Windows is everywhere, and even use that simple fact to praise it. I say it is high time Apple became tough and competitive instead of kind and gentle, and let the chips fall where they may.

]]> By: Asa Dotzler: Firefox and more http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-106152 Asa Dotzler: Firefox and more Fri, 15 Jul 2011 21:08:22 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-106152 <strong>john is absolutely right...</strong> John's Blog : Apple Software Update I was thinking very much the same thing when I first got this notice on my Windows machine. It really is wrong to make cause for users to mistrust, or even worse, to distrust, software update systems. If the softwar... john is absolutely right…

John’s Blog : Apple Software Update I was thinking very much the same thing when I first got this notice on my Windows machine. It really is wrong to make cause for users to mistrust, or even worse, to distrust, software update systems. If the softwar…

]]> By: megaman2000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-83218 megaman2000 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:42:29 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-83218 Im got safari by downloading iit from the the apple site. i use windows computers as i just prefer them but i have to say i quite like it, i still prefer firefox 3 tho as it just feels more polished for windows than safari does, safari looks waaaay better on a proper mac. im debating wich one to use tho! Im got safari by downloading iit from the the apple site. i use windows computers as i just prefer them but i have to say i quite like it, i still prefer firefox 3 tho as it just feels more polished for windows than safari does, safari looks waaaay better on a proper mac. im debating wich one to use tho!

]]> By: Thomas http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-67239 Thomas Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:45:34 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-67239 @vance :S I didn't say that it was a good idea! @vance

:S I didn’t say that it was a good idea!

]]> By: vance http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-67101 vance Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:39:09 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-67101 Still not a good reason for Apple to force their product to us Windows Users.. Still not a good reason for Apple to force their product to us Windows Users..

]]> By: Thomas http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-67089 Thomas Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:05:11 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-67089 @vance But windows users aren't like the majority of mac users they just want a computer. These people don't go on tech sites. @vance

But windows users aren’t like the majority of mac users they just want a computer. These people don’t go on tech sites.

]]> By: vance http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-66970 vance Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:47:11 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-66970 Well Windows Users are aware of Safari because of the Web.. I think almost tech related site has a short article about it. The reason why windows users get that Safari install update, its because you have Apple Update Software installed on your system so every time you start iTunes you'll get that notice. Well Windows Users are aware of Safari because of the Web.. I think almost tech related site has a short article about it.

The reason why windows users get that Safari install update, its because you have Apple Update Software installed on your system so every time you start iTunes you’ll get that notice.

]]> By: Thomas http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-66965 Thomas Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:56:19 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-66965 @ The Wizard - 'I see nothing wrong for suggesting safari for Windows users because they might not be aware of its existence.' Well then all Apple had to do was include it in the Software Update but have it unticked. Defaults are important because no one cares to read the screen they just want to update their iTunes. @ The Wizard – ‘I see nothing wrong for suggesting safari for Windows users because they might not be aware of its existence.’

Well then all Apple had to do was include it in the Software Update but have it unticked. Defaults are important because no one cares to read the screen they just want to update their iTunes.

]]> By: The Wizard http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-66948 The Wizard Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:16:00 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-66948 Interesting conversation and a lot of comments. One ------ I see nothing wrong for suggesting safari for Windows users because they might not be aware of its existence. Two ------ Safari isn't ready to compete with other browsers on windows because it lacks some nice features like 'Page zoom' that's available on FireFox 3 beta and Opera on both Windows and mac and I have to say it's a very nice and useful feature. As for me I am trying to commit to using safari on my mac 'Just because it's apple' and also because of the search in dictionary feature in the right click context menu and the 'Amazing and un-beatable' 'find in page' feature that's the best in any other browser on earth including FireFox. ------------------------------------------ Safari has to do the following: 1. Include Page zoom (it enlarges graphics when you enlarges text size). 2. Add the feature of adding other search engines to the built-in search feed like opera and firefox. Although you may be able to achieve that by installing inquisitor yet, it's not native. 3. Include the option to add web-page icons to the shortcut bar like Opera and FirFox 2. Although fireFox 3 beta 4 has dropped that and gone to the sleek look of safari. But I have to say that omitting page names all-together and keeping only the icons in the bookmarks bar is a really cool feature because humans are visual creatures by nature. I have my Opera set this way and it looks and feels great. 4. Support web-forms better. ---------------------------------- If Safari added the above mentioned features, I think that it would be the best browser on the planet. What do you think? Interesting conversation and a lot of comments.

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I see nothing wrong for suggesting safari for Windows users because they might not be aware of its existence.

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Safari isn’t ready to compete with other browsers on windows because it lacks some nice features like ‘Page zoom’ that’s available on FireFox 3 beta and Opera on both Windows and mac and I have to say it’s a very nice and useful feature.

As for me I am trying to commit to using safari on my mac ‘Just because it’s apple’ and also because of the search in dictionary feature in the right click context menu and the ‘Amazing and un-beatable’ ‘find in page’ feature that’s the best in any other browser on earth including FireFox.

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Safari has to do the following:

1. Include Page zoom (it enlarges graphics when you enlarges text size).

2. Add the feature of adding other search engines to the built-in search feed like opera and firefox. Although you may be able to achieve that by installing inquisitor yet, it’s not native.

3. Include the option to add web-page icons to the shortcut bar like Opera and FirFox 2. Although fireFox 3 beta 4 has dropped that and gone to the sleek look of safari. But I have to say that omitting page names all-together and keeping only the icons in the bookmarks bar is a really cool feature because humans are visual creatures by nature. I have my Opera set this way and it looks and feels great.

4. Support web-forms better.

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If Safari added the above mentioned features, I think that it would be the best browser on the planet. What do you think?

]]> By: Jeremy Steele http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-66947 Jeremy Steele Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:05:30 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-66947 I have one good thing to say about it as of this morning - been working on a script for someone with AJAX, and wow, it surprised me. At least the AJAX calls fly on safari - easily 5x faster than IE and firefox. I have one good thing to say about it as of this morning – been working on a script for someone with AJAX, and wow, it surprised me. At least the AJAX calls fly on safari – easily 5x faster than IE and firefox.

]]> By: Marian http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-66923 Marian Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:50:48 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-66923 Ok, this might a little over the roof, but I actually find this funny. The first thing that I could think of after reading about this update was Macworld 1997. Could this be a way how Apple wants to get even with Microsoft for pushing IE to be the default browser on Macs back then? Ok, this might a little over the roof, but I actually find this funny. The first thing that I could think of after reading about this update was Macworld 1997. Could this be a way how Apple wants to get even with Microsoft for pushing IE to be the default browser on Macs back then?

]]> By: vance http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-66876 vance Sun, 23 Mar 2008 04:51:32 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-66876 I might have a solution for this although I haven't tested this theory: Uninstall Apple Software update on windows and you might not find this screen anymore. I might have a solution for this although I haven’t tested this theory:

Uninstall Apple Software update on windows and you might not find this screen anymore.

]]> By: rwahrens http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-66837 rwahrens Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:44:37 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-66837 Sorry, I don't agree that Safari on Windows is crap. I use it all the time, and it beats Firefox, in my opinion every time. It sure as hell beats IE6, which is my agency's standard. Never crashes, renders all the web sites I use (with a single exception) correctly and even my bank's site works well. (The only reason I can use something else is that I'm an admin & can get around the software restrictions... thank goodness - I HATE IE!) Sorry, I don’t agree that Safari on Windows is crap. I use it all the time, and it beats Firefox, in my opinion every time. It sure as hell beats IE6, which is my agency’s standard. Never crashes, renders all the web sites I use (with a single exception) correctly and even my bank’s site works well.

(The only reason I can use something else is that I’m an admin & can get around the software restrictions… thank goodness – I HATE IE!)

]]> By: Pizza Franchise http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-66790 Pizza Franchise Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:53:14 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-66790 Microsoft has grown through these techniques, so there's no surprise Apple would follow suit. Remember, it's Google who's motto is "Don't Be Evil" not Apple's... Microsoft has grown through these techniques, so there’s no surprise Apple would follow suit. Remember, it’s Google who’s motto is “Don’t Be Evil” not Apple’s…

]]> By: Jeremy Steele http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-66740 Jeremy Steele Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:32:09 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-66740 Michael - I agree it'd be helpful for a web developer who is windows only. That's about the only use I can think of though. @Andy "fighting an enemy with the same weapons is always a good idea" So if someone throws mud in my face I should throw mud back? Nah, I'd rather pull out an AK-47, threaten them, and end the mud tossing real quick. In this situation, Apple would be better off A) not using these semi-clandestine techniques to get software installed, and B) doing their best to expose how Microsoft does it. The media would be Apple's AK-47. Michael – I agree it’d be helpful for a web developer who is windows only. That’s about the only use I can think of though.

@Andy “fighting an enemy with the same weapons is always a good idea”

So if someone throws mud in my face I should throw mud back? Nah, I’d rather pull out an AK-47, threaten them, and end the mud tossing real quick.

In this situation, Apple would be better off A) not using these semi-clandestine techniques to get software installed, and B) doing their best to expose how Microsoft does it. The media would be Apple’s AK-47.

]]> By: vance http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-66689 vance Sat, 22 Mar 2008 05:50:19 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-66689 @michael curse you for having a title like that! hehehe! Joke! I'm a Windows User (can't afford a apple notebook) and I haven't encounter that with iTunes so far and I haven't installed safari 3.1. But thanks for the warning or something. I'll definitely look out for that. @michael curse you for having a title like that! hehehe! Joke!

I’m a Windows User (can’t afford a apple notebook) and I haven’t encounter that with iTunes so far and I haven’t installed safari 3.1.

But thanks for the warning or something. I’ll definitely look out for that.

]]> By: Michael http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-66658 Michael Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:42:25 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-66658 @Boo You realize you just proved the statement I made about the Apple fanboys right? The truth is, I love Apple products - and I don't play PC games (I really have no idea where you're getting that...but whatever). From my Mac Mini to the 2 iPhones in my house, the 4 or 5 iPods, AppleTV, and even my Macbook Pro which is currently being repaired for the 3rd time. I love Apple products...that doesn't mean the company doesn't do shady stuff from time to time. This is not a blog that blindly trumpets everything Apple does as Gospel. There are plenty of places out there you can worship at the alter of Steve Jobs, but we LOVE Apple stuff around here, and you're welcome to join us - but be prepared for both a positive AND negative look at things the company does. If you're not interested in an objective point of view (which I think, between myself, and the regular commentors around here, we provide), then you're not going to enjoy some of the stuff posted here. If nothing else, it always makes for interesting conversation. :) @Boo

You realize you just proved the statement I made about the Apple fanboys right?

The truth is, I love Apple products – and I don’t play PC games (I really have no idea where you’re getting that…but whatever). From my Mac Mini to the 2 iPhones in my house, the 4 or 5 iPods, AppleTV, and even my Macbook Pro which is currently being repaired for the 3rd time.

I love Apple products…that doesn’t mean the company doesn’t do shady stuff from time to time. This is not a blog that blindly trumpets everything Apple does as Gospel.

There are plenty of places out there you can worship at the alter of Steve Jobs, but we LOVE Apple stuff around here, and you’re welcome to join us – but be prepared for both a positive AND negative look at things the company does. If you’re not interested in an objective point of view (which I think, between myself, and the regular commentors around here, we provide), then you’re not going to enjoy some of the stuff posted here.

If nothing else, it always makes for interesting conversation.

:)

]]> By: Boo http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-66648 Boo Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:07:01 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-66648 "The hardest of hardcore Apple fanboys have probably already fired up Mail to send me hate e-mail about how I should die for writing a title like that…but it’s 100% true." What's true is that this is an Apple hate blog. This is a PC gamer Apple hater blog. PC egoist/gamer/losers come here for some Apple hate. They usually find it, and that makes them feel good. “The hardest of hardcore Apple fanboys have probably already fired up Mail to send me hate e-mail about how I should die for writing a title like that…but it’s 100% true.”

What’s true is that this is an Apple hate blog. This is a PC gamer Apple hater blog. PC egoist/gamer/losers come here for some Apple hate. They usually find it, and that makes them feel good.

]]> By: Eric Yerington http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-66647 Eric Yerington Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:00:01 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-66647 Umm, how about this -- on my Mac if I don't want an update -- say the one for an iPod when I don't have an iPod -- I can click the update, hit delete and VIOLA! It doesn't come up again (OK, it does the next time there is an update, but I hit delete again and it's gone ) -- It doesn't keep popping up every week.... Just a thought...... Umm, how about this — on my Mac if I don’t want an update — say the one for an iPod when I don’t have an iPod — I can click the update, hit delete and VIOLA! It doesn’t come up again (OK, it does the next time there is an update, but I hit delete again and it’s gone ) — It doesn’t keep popping up every week….

Just a thought……

]]> By: jadedcritic http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-66640 jadedcritic Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:46:24 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-66640 I've been quite a fanboy of late, but I actually don't have a problem with the idea that is a cheap trick. It is a cheap trick. I've never liked that junk. Give it time, perhaps in a few years apple will be as bad as microsoft in their tactics, maybe by then I'll switch to linux. I’ve been quite a fanboy of late, but I actually don’t have a problem with the idea that is a cheap trick. It is a cheap trick. I’ve never liked that junk. Give it time, perhaps in a few years apple will be as bad as microsoft in their tactics, maybe by then I’ll switch to linux.

]]> By: zippi http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-66638 zippi Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:23:35 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-66638 I agree with you - up until the point of the Safari-numbers. Those number's don't come from downloads or from the number of installed Safaris, but from the number of Safaris USED to browse the internet - so this pushing of Safari might influence this number, because people start using Safari even if they wouldn't have downloaded it... but a noticeable impact in the number will (probably) only be made, if they like it and continue using it.. so the number will still reflect the number of people enjoying safari I agree with you – up until the point of the Safari-numbers. Those number’s don’t come from downloads or from the number of installed Safaris, but from the number of Safaris USED to browse the internet – so this pushing of Safari might influence this number, because people start using Safari even if they wouldn’t have downloaded it… but a noticeable impact in the number will (probably) only be made, if they like it and continue using it.. so the number will still reflect the number of people enjoying safari

]]> By: Tom http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-66629 Tom Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:23:51 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-66629 @Michael, I agree with you completely, and think Apple did wrong: http://thesmallwave.com/2008/03/21/apple-to-windows-users-run-one-run-all/ @Joe, Yes, it's a software UPDATE application. Emphasis on the word "update". How do you "update" an app that's not already installed? @Michael,

I agree with you completely, and think Apple did wrong:

http://thesmallwave.com/2008/03/21/apple-to-windows-users-run-one-run-all/

@Joe,

Yes, it’s a software UPDATE application. Emphasis on the word “update”. How do you “update” an app that’s not already installed?

]]> By: Andy http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-66604 Andy Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:07:26 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-66604 fighting an enemy with the same weapons is always a good idea fighting an enemy with the same weapons is always a good idea

]]> By: Michael http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-66603 Michael Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:05:04 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-66603 @Joe I'll agree to disagree. What annoys one person might not annoy another. It annoys me, but if it doesn't annoy you, that's great. @John E. "and get over yourself." You first. @Joe

I’ll agree to disagree. What annoys one person might not annoy another. It annoys me, but if it doesn’t annoy you, that’s great.

@John E.

“and get over yourself.”

You first.

]]> By: John E http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-66580 John E Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:27:03 +0000 http://www.applegazette.com/safari/apple-using-microsoft-like-moves-to-get-safari-on-windows-machines/#comment-66580 Whining troll. oh my! there is a single line, one word, option on my computer screen to install another Apple program when i update the one i have. how offensive! my eyeballs are being raped! they are trying to take over my brain! etc. just don't install it if you don't want it. ignore it. and get over yourself. Whining troll. oh my! there is a single line, one word, option on my computer screen to install another Apple program when i update the one i have. how offensive! my eyeballs are being raped! they are trying to take over my brain! etc.

just don’t install it if you don’t want it. ignore it. and get over yourself.

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