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	<title>Comments on: NBC calls Apple a Liar and us all Pirates</title>
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		<title>By: ReLeNtLeZ1</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReLeNtLeZ1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a very close look at this statement: &quot;We never asked to double the wholesale price for our TV shows. In fact, our negotiations were centered on our request for flexibility in wholesale pricing, including the ability to package shows together in ways that could make our content even more attractive for consumers.&quot;  That sounds like NBC wanted to sale more than one show at a time, for less than $1.99 an episode, but more than $1.99 total price for multiple episodes. They are trying to sale more with competitive pricing. It&#039;s called GROWTH. AND EVERYONE KNOWS THEY ARE MORE INTERESTED IN GETTING SOMETHING FOR FREE THAN PAY FOR IT!!! (Talk your glutenous maximum off, it&#039;s true! ) How people recklessly spend hundreds on entertainment equipment, but quibble over the few bucks for the content of that entertainment never fails to amaze me. GET YOUR WEIGHT UP!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a very close look at this statement: &#8220;We never asked to double the wholesale price for our TV shows. In fact, our negotiations were centered on our request for flexibility in wholesale pricing, including the ability to package shows together in ways that could make our content even more attractive for consumers.&#8221;  That sounds like NBC wanted to sale more than one show at a time, for less than $1.99 an episode, but more than $1.99 total price for multiple episodes. They are trying to sale more with competitive pricing. It&#8217;s called GROWTH. AND EVERYONE KNOWS THEY ARE MORE INTERESTED IN GETTING SOMETHING FOR FREE THAN PAY FOR IT!!! (Talk your glutenous maximum off, it&#8217;s true! ) How people recklessly spend hundreds on entertainment equipment, but quibble over the few bucks for the content of that entertainment never fails to amaze me. GET YOUR WEIGHT UP!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: BlogBuzz September 8, 2007 &#187; Webmaster-Source</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlogBuzz September 8, 2007 &#187; Webmaster-Source</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 10:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] probably heard about the Apple/NBC argument by now. NBC calls iPod owners pirates, and claims that Apple isn&#8217;t doing anything to prevent [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Snafu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snafu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, even Apple hasn&#039;t actually said that NBC wants to price their series&#039; episodes $4.99: it said what NBC wants would imply that, which is not quite the same thing. Frankly, I don&#039;t trust Apple&#039;s PR that much, even less so any customer defender-posturing born in the middle of some market dominance. One remembers Jobs&#039; hypocritical anti-DRM posturing some months ago all too well.

Second: just because you don&#039;t pirate music (and please don&#039;t assume things so easily) doesn&#039;t mean nobody else does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, even Apple hasn&#8217;t actually said that NBC wants to price their series&#8217; episodes $4.99: it said what NBC wants would imply that, which is not quite the same thing. Frankly, I don&#8217;t trust Apple&#8217;s PR that much, even less so any customer defender-posturing born in the middle of some market dominance. One remembers Jobs&#8217; hypocritical anti-DRM posturing some months ago all too well.</p>
<p>Second: just because you don&#8217;t pirate music (and please don&#8217;t assume things so easily) doesn&#8217;t mean nobody else does.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 20:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Snafu

I don&#039;t agree.

NBC is wrong.  $4.99 an episode (which I&#039;m guess would be the bundled price for a show you want and a lesser show) is unacceptable.

You seem to be forgetting that CDs can be ripped, and that is completely legal.  That fills up iPods just as easily as pirated content.  Just because you pirate music, which is the only thing I can assume by your comments, doesn&#039;t mean everyone else does.

There are some honest people that still exist.  

I&#039;ll be offended if I want to.

There is nothing &quot;sane&quot; about what NBC is proposing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Snafu</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree.</p>
<p>NBC is wrong.  $4.99 an episode (which I&#8217;m guess would be the bundled price for a show you want and a lesser show) is unacceptable.</p>
<p>You seem to be forgetting that CDs can be ripped, and that is completely legal.  That fills up iPods just as easily as pirated content.  Just because you pirate music, which is the only thing I can assume by your comments, doesn&#8217;t mean everyone else does.</p>
<p>There are some honest people that still exist.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be offended if I want to.</p>
<p>There is nothing &#8220;sane&#8221; about what NBC is proposing.</p>
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		<title>By: Snafu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snafu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the very Steve Jobs has often done a breakdown of bought titles per iPod owner, pointing out how extremely few downloads per iPod owner happen, actually. Add to that the preeminent position of the device in the Mp3 player market, and the humongous volume of pirated music around. Do the math. That the iPod business rides on piracy is a given, specially so before the iTMS&#039; existence. That yourself don&#039;t play the game is not the point, and it&#039;s not like the NBC guys have said that ALL iPods&#039; owners do so, so please stop the oh-I&#039;m-so-offended dance.

Also, for all this praise on Apple for protecting us from variable pricing, one forgets that it does allow it, in Japan&#039;s iTMS. It supposedly protects us from higher pricing, but then that means we have no access for lower pricing offers, too, or some bundles.

The sane thing would have been to allow NBC to try things and see what works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the very Steve Jobs has often done a breakdown of bought titles per iPod owner, pointing out how extremely few downloads per iPod owner happen, actually. Add to that the preeminent position of the device in the Mp3 player market, and the humongous volume of pirated music around. Do the math. That the iPod business rides on piracy is a given, specially so before the iTMS&#8217; existence. That yourself don&#8217;t play the game is not the point, and it&#8217;s not like the NBC guys have said that ALL iPods&#8217; owners do so, so please stop the oh-I&#8217;m-so-offended dance.</p>
<p>Also, for all this praise on Apple for protecting us from variable pricing, one forgets that it does allow it, in Japan&#8217;s iTMS. It supposedly protects us from higher pricing, but then that means we have no access for lower pricing offers, too, or some bundles.</p>
<p>The sane thing would have been to allow NBC to try things and see what works.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Snafu

There is no pirated music in my iTunes library.  I don&#039;t appreciate being called a thief when I haven&#039;t done anything wrong...and I&#039;m not the only one that finds that comment insulting.

I make an effort to purchase digital music as opposed to just downloading albums off of Bittorrent, so it really bothers me when executives assume that I&#039;m a thief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Snafu</p>
<p>There is no pirated music in my iTunes library.  I don&#8217;t appreciate being called a thief when I haven&#8217;t done anything wrong&#8230;and I&#8217;m not the only one that finds that comment insulting.</p>
<p>I make an effort to purchase digital music as opposed to just downloading albums off of Bittorrent, so it really bothers me when executives assume that I&#8217;m a thief.</p>
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		<title>By: Snafu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snafu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If there has ever been a more offensive line written about iPod and iPhone owners Iâ€™d like to read it.&quot;

Oh, please! Of course most mp3 players&#039; content, iPod included, is pirated music. Why, in some countries it is even legal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If there has ever been a more offensive line written about iPod and iPhone owners Iâ€™d like to read it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, please! Of course most mp3 players&#8217; content, iPod included, is pirated music. Why, in some countries it is even legal.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate to hear what NBC calls TiVo users!

100% of them are 100% filled with Pirated Content.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to hear what NBC calls TiVo users!</p>
<p>100% of them are 100% filled with Pirated Content.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.applegazette.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: minifig</title>
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		<dc:creator>minifig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that I don&#039;t think NBC have got their pretty little heads around is that there are a lot of people who don&#039;t live in the US, and there are two ways of them getting NBC content for us - downloading it illegally or submitting ourselves to watching it around midnight on a relatively obscure TV channel that happens to have bought the rights. Almost everyone that I know that&#039;s a big fan of, say, the US version of The Office downloaded it illegally, but a lot of those people would have been happy enough to have downloaded it from the iTunes store, but it&#039;s looking more and more like they will never be given that opportunity because of NBC&#039;s power games.

I find it very weird that NBC seem on the one hand to be whinging about piracy, whilst on the other hand only making their content easily available to those who are prepared to pirate. They can&#039;t have it both ways. The iTunes store made The Office what it is, and yet they&#039;re attacking the customers that helped that by cutting off one of their main supplies of obtaining that content legally.

It&#039;s not like shooting themselves in the foot, it&#039;s like taking a machine gun and firing round after round into their footware - it&#039;s just insane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that I don&#8217;t think NBC have got their pretty little heads around is that there are a lot of people who don&#8217;t live in the US, and there are two ways of them getting NBC content for us &#8211; downloading it illegally or submitting ourselves to watching it around midnight on a relatively obscure TV channel that happens to have bought the rights. Almost everyone that I know that&#8217;s a big fan of, say, the US version of The Office downloaded it illegally, but a lot of those people would have been happy enough to have downloaded it from the iTunes store, but it&#8217;s looking more and more like they will never be given that opportunity because of NBC&#8217;s power games.</p>
<p>I find it very weird that NBC seem on the one hand to be whinging about piracy, whilst on the other hand only making their content easily available to those who are prepared to pirate. They can&#8217;t have it both ways. The iTunes store made The Office what it is, and yet they&#8217;re attacking the customers that helped that by cutting off one of their main supplies of obtaining that content legally.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like shooting themselves in the foot, it&#8217;s like taking a machine gun and firing round after round into their footware &#8211; it&#8217;s just insane.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, let&#039;s not forget what the MS in MSNBC stood for ... this will help us understand the mindset at NBC/Universal.

Second, as a consumer in NBC&#039;s target market I have the ability to let the advertisers know what I think of NBC insulting me as an ower of both an iPod and iPhone (used for this note).

Finally, the market forces will speak!  Ad dollars are already walking from broadcast outlets to online outlets.  So put pressure on NBC and their mismanagement via their wallet!  Contact a sponsor and do not download NBC content.

After all, NBC is not an oil company ... we can stand up to this companies price &amp; greed games!

Cheers,

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, let&#8217;s not forget what the MS in MSNBC stood for &#8230; this will help us understand the mindset at NBC/Universal.</p>
<p>Second, as a consumer in NBC&#8217;s target market I have the ability to let the advertisers know what I think of NBC insulting me as an ower of both an iPod and iPhone (used for this note).</p>
<p>Finally, the market forces will speak!  Ad dollars are already walking from broadcast outlets to online outlets.  So put pressure on NBC and their mismanagement via their wallet!  Contact a sponsor and do not download NBC content.</p>
<p>After all, NBC is not an oil company &#8230; we can stand up to this companies price &amp; greed games!</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: The Wizard</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Wizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NBC and most other big broadcasting networks are already making a fortune on their own business via advertisement and everything else.

If they can&#039;t be malleable enough to go with the digital age and open new and consumer friendly online stores, they are going to perish cos this is the future (near future) whether they like it or not.

Now they don&#039;t have to pay a portion of their already established fortunes on setting up and maintaining such online stores, Apple did that part for them and Apple did it beautifully being the number one online store and the third nationwide in music sales among all stores whether online or not. And they still had the nerve to mess with that and show not only greed but hostility towards Apple and even the customers themselves.

Honestly I can&#039;t see any more glaring example of lack of foresight than this. NBC you should fire your market research team ASAP and get yourselves a more IQ qualified (marketing people/spokespersons) if you are serious about staying up to your viewers expectations. Also a little apology for ipod users would be appropriate.

Thanks Michael for your insight on this issue and keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NBC and most other big broadcasting networks are already making a fortune on their own business via advertisement and everything else.</p>
<p>If they can&#8217;t be malleable enough to go with the digital age and open new and consumer friendly online stores, they are going to perish cos this is the future (near future) whether they like it or not.</p>
<p>Now they don&#8217;t have to pay a portion of their already established fortunes on setting up and maintaining such online stores, Apple did that part for them and Apple did it beautifully being the number one online store and the third nationwide in music sales among all stores whether online or not. And they still had the nerve to mess with that and show not only greed but hostility towards Apple and even the customers themselves.</p>
<p>Honestly I can&#8217;t see any more glaring example of lack of foresight than this. NBC you should fire your market research team ASAP and get yourselves a more IQ qualified (marketing people/spokespersons) if you are serious about staying up to your viewers expectations. Also a little apology for ipod users would be appropriate.</p>
<p>Thanks Michael for your insight on this issue and keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: vance</title>
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		<dc:creator>vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>since where talking about $1.99 for tv shows for the ipod I think people should visit mobovivo.com. they offers tv shows that aren&#039;t featured in itunes stores and sell them for $1.99 an episode. It is legal.. plus it will be integrated to your Itunes..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>since where talking about $1.99 for tv shows for the ipod I think people should visit mobovivo.com. they offers tv shows that aren&#8217;t featured in itunes stores and sell them for $1.99 an episode. It is legal.. plus it will be integrated to your Itunes..</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly...

NBC is showing total greed!

1.) All they really have to do is hand over one file of each episode (that must cost a fortune).

2.) If Apple would have never designed this store, had total success with it, NBC would have NEVER had this extra income from their shows.

Total Greed... And raising prices would simply make people steal it if they want it... Lame move... B</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly&#8230;</p>
<p>NBC is showing total greed!</p>
<p>1.) All they really have to do is hand over one file of each episode (that must cost a fortune).</p>
<p>2.) If Apple would have never designed this store, had total success with it, NBC would have NEVER had this extra income from their shows.</p>
<p>Total Greed&#8230; And raising prices would simply make people steal it if they want it&#8230; Lame move&#8230; B</p>
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