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	<title>Comments on: 10,000 iPhones sold in Germany on Launch Day &#8211; &#8220;failure&#8221;, my foot!</title>
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		<title>By: Partners in Grime</title>
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		<dc:creator>Partners in Grime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes, that&#039;s expensive. Amazing the iPhone sold that many! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes, that&#8217;s expensive. Amazing the iPhone sold that many! <img src='http://www.applegazette.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: pp</title>
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		<dc:creator>pp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>**you guys actually have to pay when someone calls you or sends you a message?? **

Yes, in USA. Isn&#039;t it crazy? I don&#039;t know of any other country in the world doing such a stupid thing. You are being screwed there, you should complain because it is NOT normal.

BTW, don&#039;t expect queues of people camping for 3 days before the launch of a device in anywhere like in USA. That is not normal behaviour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>**you guys actually have to pay when someone calls you or sends you a message?? **</p>
<p>Yes, in USA. Isn&#8217;t it crazy? I don&#8217;t know of any other country in the world doing such a stupid thing. You are being screwed there, you should complain because it is NOT normal.</p>
<p>BTW, don&#8217;t expect queues of people camping for 3 days before the launch of a device in anywhere like in USA. That is not normal behaviour.</p>
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		<title>By: mitchell Magouirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mitchell Magouirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>those are tmobile numbers so far.does not in clude apple numbers and is not for the whole weekend total sales as in 270,000 units in 30 hours for us launch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>those are tmobile numbers so far.does not in clude apple numbers and is not for the whole weekend total sales as in 270,000 units in 30 hours for us launch</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you guys actually have to pay when someone calls you or sends you a message?? i never knew that... that&#039;s tough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you guys actually have to pay when someone calls you or sends you a message?? i never knew that&#8230; that&#8217;s tough.</p>
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		<title>By: obi</title>
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		<dc:creator>obi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have doubts that the iPhone will be a big success in Germany,
due to its TCO. I tried to compare the cheapest Germany plan to
the cheapest ATT plan, so you can judge yourself if you would get it :

Contract costs for 2 years including phone, activation and monthly fee:
$2336 (including taxes) as opposed to $1875 in the US (without taxes?)

What do you get for it in Germany:

Voice:
- 100 minutes as opposed to 450 in the US (in Germany you dont have 
  to pay for incoming calls, so this is more like 200 min vs. 450 min)
- No Night and weekend minutes at all
- No rollover (unused minutes expire at the end of the month)
- If you exceed the 100 minutes, you pay $0,57 for each extra minute
  as opposed to $0,45 in the US (If I got that right)

SMS:
- 40 SMS are included here. As opposed to 200 at ATT (again you dont
  pay for incoming SMS so this is more like 80 vs. 200)
- Each extra SMS will cost you $0,28 (I could not figure out costs for
  extra SMS at ATT)

Data:
- In germany you get 200MB at EDGE speed. After exceeding that, they
  throttle the speed to 64Kb/s for the rest of the month
- Hotpot usage and visual VM should be the same as in the US

In addition there is no option for existing T-Mobile customers to keep
their current plans and just add the Data feature, as is possible for ATT
customers for $20 (if I got that right). 

Would you go for that ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have doubts that the iPhone will be a big success in Germany,<br />
due to its TCO. I tried to compare the cheapest Germany plan to<br />
the cheapest ATT plan, so you can judge yourself if you would get it :</p>
<p>Contract costs for 2 years including phone, activation and monthly fee:<br />
$2336 (including taxes) as opposed to $1875 in the US (without taxes?)</p>
<p>What do you get for it in Germany:</p>
<p>Voice:<br />
- 100 minutes as opposed to 450 in the US (in Germany you dont have<br />
  to pay for incoming calls, so this is more like 200 min vs. 450 min)<br />
- No Night and weekend minutes at all<br />
- No rollover (unused minutes expire at the end of the month)<br />
- If you exceed the 100 minutes, you pay $0,57 for each extra minute<br />
  as opposed to $0,45 in the US (If I got that right)</p>
<p>SMS:<br />
- 40 SMS are included here. As opposed to 200 at ATT (again you dont<br />
  pay for incoming SMS so this is more like 80 vs. 200)<br />
- Each extra SMS will cost you $0,28 (I could not figure out costs for<br />
  extra SMS at ATT)</p>
<p>Data:<br />
- In germany you get 200MB at EDGE speed. After exceeding that, they<br />
  throttle the speed to 64Kb/s for the rest of the month<br />
- Hotpot usage and visual VM should be the same as in the US</p>
<p>In addition there is no option for existing T-Mobile customers to keep<br />
their current plans and just add the Data feature, as is possible for ATT<br />
customers for $20 (if I got that right). </p>
<p>Would you go for that ?</p>
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